2018 Great Lakes Open presented by DISCRAFT

Jarret Smith

Check at toboggan right?

Jarret Smith

Check in*

John Minicuci

Yes. Thank you Jarret!

brad chartier

how late will the Friday check in go??

John Minicuci

Most likely we will begin wrapping up Friday around 4:30 pm with the AM side of check in.

brad chartier

thanks.

Thomas Cupp

Thanks John!

Drew "Orange Andy" Herron

No way to replace those Mach3s with Chainstars at least?

Brad Fuelling

What's happening with the baskets once the new ones are in? I know a couple of courses in royal oak that are in desperate need of baskets...

John Minicuci

As far as the Mach's, I have inquired about that. I am hopeful but not optimistic.

John Minicuci

Starr is slated for the Chainstar Pros. Not sure what Kensington / Discraft has worked out but I can ask.

Brad Fuelling

Awesome. Thanks for all you do John!!!!

Jarret Smith

So will these be the same model as the toboggan baskets?

John Minicuci

The Toboggan Randy has currently has Chainstar Pros. Black Locust will eventually have them too. Currently Black Locust has a mix, 31 Chainstar's and 5 Mach 3s.

John Minicuci

The Toboggan currently has Chainstar Pros. Black Locust will eventually have them too. Currently Black Locust has a mix, 31 Chainstar's and 5 Mach 3s.

Jarret Smith

So is the new course going to be finished soon so we can practice on it?

John Minicuci

Working on it.

Jarret Smith

Will you anounce on here when it’s ready to play?

John Minicuci

I sure will.

Evan Lewis

Is there an estimated time frame as to when the new holes will be ready to play?

John Minicuci

https://www.discgolfscene.com/post/615438/meet-at-black-locust-at-9am

Connor Thompson

Pumped to see the tee pad assignments, thanks for all the updates John!

John Minicuci

You are welcome!

Evan Lewis

New holes are awesome! Thanks to everyone that helped, will there be short pads put in before the tournament?

Scott Fenner

Yes same question as Evan will shorts be put in for the South course before DGLO?

John Minicuci

The Short tee pads will NOT be in before the DGLO. Tee pad assignments for all divisions and both Pools will be available later on today.

Mike Michalak

if no short tees can we (MA50) play from the long tees for safety and footing for us older guys or will we have to play off natural tee pads?

John Minicuci

No one in the tournament will be playing on natural tee pads.

Jacob Johnston

So, are there short tees or not? The tee assignments have some divisions playing the short tees on the new course.

John Minicuci

The nine existing holes before the new holes had short tee pads. The new nine holes will eventually have short tee pads but they will not be installed before the DGLO. Therefore, you will play all of the older 9 holes that have short tee pads and none of the new 9 that does not. I will post a scorecard in the Pictures tab Thursday afternoon of both courses that show the long and short tee pads.

Mike Michalak

so if I have this straight 9 holes only have long pads and everyone will pay those long pads for those 9 holes, do I have that right?

John Minicuci

Mike, I am not 100% but I think there was a hole on the original 9 that had only 1 tee pad. This might mean you have 10 holes with only 1 pad. I will post the scorecard Thursday afternoon when I am certain of what tee pads will be used.

John Minicuci

Scorecard has been added.

Scott Adkins

Hey John, Thanks for all the hard work. This is a huge undertaking and I appreciate you giving it your best. That being said, I coming out tomorrow around 1-:00 to get some practice in. If I just play 36 holes (even if out of order)I will have played both courses. How is the signage? Being new, I'm not sure if there will be enough footpath to lead the way. Finally, are these courses Zuca friendly?

Jon Peters

Hey John, the score card uploaded is pretty small so I’m having a hard time reading all the distances and pars. Can you please upload a bigger copy? It looks like for the “short layout” on the new course, it’s short tees on the old tees and long tees for the new holes. Is that correct? Tough to tell. Thanks!

John Minicuci

The signage on the course is not permanent but as of now, all numbers and distances are in order and correct. I pushed my baby stroller cart through it and others used their Zucas. Very cart friendly.

John Minicuci

Jon, right click on the image and download it. It is pretty big in size. DGS does not properly configure big images well.

Gary (OMG) Pituch

I'm having an issue printing a legible copy of this score card. The formatting isn't right or something. Anyone else can't print it? I mean it prints but the quality is BAD!

John Minicuci

Try these: https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipMC60AyhEmpkB3DVUCwMvxYsmdiZDeA2Dm3Vwff https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipMhl6kz5c8MWd8j9blE_blbs0c6BU7JrhKlfTrk

brad chartier

I'm assuming the updated scorecard is also available at the pay booth??

Gary (OMG) Pituch

Yea, thanks John but that's not working (for me anyway). All I get is "404. That’s an error. The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know."

John Minicuci

I have no idea if they are at the booth already but since the course is open I would assume so. Also, if they do, they have the scorecards that reflect the short tee pads for the new nine holes. The one I posted was altered to reflect the new nine holes only having 1 tee pad.

Gary (OMG) Pituch

I just messaged you (I hope) on facebook. Why?I tried it on another computer in the office and my phone with the same results. Anyway I can get it emailed? I'm flying in tomorrow and would really like to get my hands on a copy before I play tomorrow afternoon. Cheers.

Gary (OMG) Pituch

Never mind John. I went to your facebook post and found it, downloaded it, sent it to my e-mail, and printed. Perfect! No Egyptian translation needed this time!! Can't wait to get up North but the weather is going to be hotter than FLORIDA?! What's up with that?

John Minicuci

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPg6wVkQ6nmKqRgzoI2ktYuV_YTNUB1CDB1hXg7pMal-a0HeQ7iERnO6F8N_-gazA?key=MWJaUEY2azNCOEF4TGhhNWtJTmdHbjBWTXNsYk5n

Jason Riberas

Just played the new holes today. They are awesome. I played from the long pads that are already there. But I'm confused as to why the short pass won't be done by next week. I appreciate all that has been done but the fact that the holes weren't even playable until 2 weeks before the ... more

Just played the new holes today. They are awesome. I played from the long pads that are already there. But I'm confused as to why the short pass won't be done by next week. I appreciate all that has been done but the fact that the holes weren't even playable until 2 weeks before the event and that there are supposed to be shorts on the new holes but won't get done before the event. All this time and it feels like it was rushed. Looks like this will be the only year that this event will be on the DGPT.

Jarret Smith

The score cards at the booth are updated showing both courses with their pars and distances now.

John Minicuci

Jarret, did you happen to grab one? I would be surprised if they printed scorecards resembling the tournament layout meaning no short tees on the newsest 9 holes.

brad chartier

I grabbed a couple yesterday. The cards show both long and short tee pads on all the holes.

John Minicuci

Thank you Brad. As I suspected, if anyone wants to play the tournament layout, please use the scorecards from the Google link above not the ones from Kensington.

Jay B

So just to be clear, even though there are 13 spots available i may not get in to the tournament because youve now chosen to put caps on the divison for the sake of making even number pools??

John Minicuci

Jay, it would not make sense as an example, to have 40 AM3s playing on one course and 2 playing on the other.

John Minicuci

Pools may be shuffled in the case more people sign up and get on the wait list. The down side if I move one division to the other pool is they will be playing the original 18 holes twice.

Jay B

But, none of that answered my question at all, my inquiry was me wanting clarity on the chance that i will be turned away from the event even though there are currently spots available, maybe i can word it differently? Maybe, i am i guaranteed a spot as it stands right now today because there are in fact spots available??

Joe Levell

I didnt realize I was signing up for waitlist until it was too late & I was done. If anyones like me that will not fool with waitlist. I cant plan a tourny from the waitlist, so I usually dont bother.

Joe Levell

They will not

John Minicuci

Registration opened up on APRIL 8, 2018. The pools were almost full and decisions needed to be made. Those waiting until the last minute have no guarantees. I can move divisions in the other Pool but you will be playing a lesser course twice.

John Minicuci

We can only fit 72 people on one course. This is not new, especially for Masters and Grandmasters who should be seasoned veterans playing A Tier tournaments.

John Minicuci

If any division gets bumped into the other Pool, someone will have to explain that to the first 8 people who signed up long ago.

John Minicuci

You both know I am going to look at every possibility to get you guys in when that opportunity presents itself.

John Minicuci

Do any of the MA50+ want to go into Pool B? I can make that switch today if need be.

Jay B

Let me ask this then, what if we had registered 2 hours BEFORE you capped the pools?? Would we not be actually registered without worry then? It seems like the problem is now because those caps were not in place and NOTHING about the possibility of them being used was announced anywhere, if there is ... more

Let me ask this then, what if we had registered 2 hours BEFORE you capped the pools?? Would we not be actually registered without worry then? It seems like the problem is now because those caps were not in place and NOTHING about the possibility of them being used was announced anywhere, if there is only an allowance of 72 players per course then shouldnt the caps have been set before reg opened or atleast notified the players so they could have had the opportunity to reg much sooner and avoid this kind of issue??

Steve Nolff

I'll go play AM3, if that will help. I am only interested in playing some golf, sitting with some friend and having a couple cold ones after. Joe can have my spot.

John Minicuci

If either of you would have registered 2 hours before I found out how many people have registered, which I have been monitoring, believe it or not, then the AM50+ would be in Pool B.

Jay B

So how will a rating update be handled if say 7 players ratings go up/down before the event, will that switch everything again??

Joe Levell

I was supposed to be switched to Am2 b4 there was a waitlist here. Now there are 3 on W/L & Im still not in Am2???

Joe Levell

There

Darren Harper

You almost had to call the whabulance.

Jay B

Would you be the one driving it? We might still need one on call

Darren Harper

They probably won't answer if they recognize the number, because it's been called so much?

Adam Hillsamer

Thank you Josh feel better

Mark Stephens

Since we were off site, I am sure we didn’t know that you had previously paid. We hadn’t planned on letting people check in today but wanted to offer it. So, it is no issue to return the money...

Phil Turner

When I told the guy running the check in he was telling people that it wasnt an option online. So I'm positive a bunch of people have been double charged. I'm thankful you will return the money to make it right but this may have happened to a lot of people.

John Minicuci

Hi Phil, a complete list of what everyone paid online will be provided to the staff at registration tomorrow morning, my apologies. I have you marked down as paying $5 online for the Ace Pool but not for the 50/50. If you paid the $10, we will give you the $5 back. See you in the morning and thank you for letting us know.

Phil Turner

Thx John.

Derek Scobie

Also curious

John Minicuci

My only recommendation is to show up in the moring at the Toboggan. If someone is a no show, you could get in. If you do not show, you have no chance whatsoever.

Kyle Newman

Directly message the TD...

Jay B

Your comments are not gone and the TD responded to your comment below and gave you the email address to Send your refund request to

John Minicuci

Xavier, please send your withdrawal request to [email redacted]. Thank you.

Mark Stephens

As in, this was the response...

John Minicuci

Pool A is full so, no, sorry.

Ben Jackson

You might want to try an email instead. See all the other refund requests

Mark Stephens

This is not the proper way to request a withdrawal. Please see the PDGA Conpetition Manual.

John Minicuci

Thank you for the heads up Mark. If we have spotters available, we will put them on both #1s.

Mike Burton

The 3 minute rule should be strongly encouraged.

Mark Stephens

I think you meant enforced!

John Minicuci

^!!! This should be a norm. I watched a group of 2 on the Toboggan spot for each other. They called it Shamed Spotting. In the winter, we call it Shovel of Shame. The last one who tee's off has to shovel the tee pads, lol. What may take an extra minute of walking saves a lot of extra time looking and saves lost disc penalty shots.

Mike Michalak

The bottom 2 players on the card should spot for the top 2 throwers on the card for those difficult holes. I really do not get it when groups throw on a difficult hole without spotting for each other. I myself will not throw on a hole until I get fellow players to go spot for not only is a lost disc ... more

The bottom 2 players on the card should spot for the top 2 throwers on the card for those difficult holes. I really do not get it when groups throw on a difficult hole without spotting for each other. I myself will not throw on a hole until I get fellow players to go spot for not only is a lost disc a re-tee and strokes it is also losing a disc that you may really like. Please on these difficult holes have players on the card spot for each other and the 3 minute rule must be enforced for it is not a suggestion it is a rule and fellow players need to enforce a re-tee when disc are lost. However, a 250 foot walk down the hill and a 250 foot walk back up by other players on your card can avoid these lost disc situations. I strongly suggest if throwing in a group of 4 that you have 2 players throw and 2 players spot then swap with the spotters becoming the throwers and the throwers becoming the spotters and with 2 spotters in place disc will not be lost.

John Minicuci

What division?