Lost favorite sorcerer in the water bout 20'' in from the beginning of the concrete pad couldn't snag through the ice. tie-dye with my pdga #. Then 10 seconds later my approach shot with a brand new VIP harp barely hit the ice and proceeded to skid all the way to the center of pond. Had to leave before the view ate any more of my discs. Doubt either can be retrieved but just in case will give a disc in return especially for the sorc.
20' not 20" that'd be weak if I couldn't get that.