MCCG Indoor Putting 2010 @ Sunnybrook

I agree with the A and B pools in order to challenge your self you need to either play against people that will challenge you and also have a partner that expects an A pool performance and if you play ... show more ›

I agree with the A and B pools in order to challenge your self you need to either play against people that will challenge you and also have a partner that expects an A pool performance and if you play in the B pool you wont feel as if your letting your partner down. Either way this is a means of practice but just as everything else you should practice the way you would play in a tournament with the pressure !

Well, as expected, Excel made the night much simpler. The snow may have played a part at keeping the crowd down but we still had 28 players again. 4 games - 7 elimination rounds, - great eight to de ... show more ›

Well, as expected, Excel made the night much simpler.
The snow may have played a part at keeping the crowd down but we still had 28 players again.
4 games - 7 elimination rounds, - great eight to determine winners up to 3 places and I was hom by 10:30. You guys rock!
I like the doubles winners squaring off against one another - sounds like a great idea.
THINK: March 8th is a BYOP night.
Start sending me your teams and I willl post them as I receive them...

BTW, Darren - I got there this Monday around 5:15 to set-up and got home around 11:15. There were still people bowling and plenty of people sitting in the bar. I think we actually got done putting aro ... show more ›

BTW, Darren - I got there this Monday around 5:15 to set-up and got home around 11:15. There were still people bowling and plenty of people sitting in the bar. I think we actually got done putting around 10:30 ish. I can see how the drive from where you are coming from would be very difficult. Helicopter?

WOW, I turn my back for a few hours and a ton of good disc-ussion ensues. Thanks to everyone for their solid input and it is all taken in. Listen, I cannot say this enough, even to those who want to g ... show more ›

WOW, I turn my back for a few hours and a ton of good disc-ussion ensues. Thanks to everyone for their solid input and it is all taken in. Listen, I cannot say this enough, even to those who want to give up after 1 week: We have an opportunity to establish a long term relationship inside during the long winter months for some putting fun, competition, and BEER TOWERS. We have completed 2 weeks and have learned a lot on how to make this a solid night out for everyone, the very talented and the not-so-talented. Both weeks we have implemented different solutions from format changes to technology while fitting 38 people into a nice room that is too small to expand or fit many more. An alternative would be to split up and go to a 2 night rotation - Monday and Wednesday. I can do one night but not two. I already give up my entire Saturday so if someone out there wants to champion Wednesday nights I think we can split up and make the evenings flow a bit better. If not, we will all stay on Monday and work this out until the end of March. Having the Excel file ready to go will be a HUGE time saving tool As we approach the last two weeks of March the plan is to have a BYO Partner. Maybe we implement that strategy after next week and see how it goes so we something to benchmark for the end of March. Lets see how the Excel file helps next week and think about BYOP for March 1st. If anyone wants me to e-mail them the Excel file for a preview and some suggestions - LMK and I will e-mail it right over. Keep the dialogue coming - it's all GOOD!

I say things didn't go terrible I think if games could be constant it would make a huge difference, there were at least 3 times that one or more court was not being used. You figure out how to keep t ... show more ›

I say things didn't go terrible I think if games could be constant it would make a huge difference, there were at least 3 times that one or more court was not being used. You figure out how to keep them full and we would finish faster. Also if we could get more baskets and rotate the courts 90 degrees you could easily fit six maybe seven instead of four.

i am not saying fuck everyone but am1 and opens, thats ridiculous. im sorry, i thought i had a good idea and that you disagree with me so strongly. the league doesnt seem to flow as well as it should. ... show more ›

i am not saying fuck everyone but am1 and opens, thats ridiculous. im sorry, i thought i had a good idea and that you disagree with me so strongly. the league doesnt seem to flow as well as it should. i was just trying to come up with a better format to do just that. i had discussed with another player that was there and we both agreed that when people are up they should be there ready to go and not be in the parking lot taking care of other business. the only way to get better is to challenge yourself and practice more.

We have the same problem of fairness with random draw doubles. There is always that dominant team that gets together. We could try to do a pro/am side and draw that way. Just my two cents, remember th ... show more ›

We have the same problem of fairness with random draw doubles. There is always that dominant team that gets together. We could try to do a pro/am side and draw that way. Just my two cents, remember this is just supposed to be a fun night inside while it's freezing outside. I think it has been great so far and bugs will be worked out in time. Thanks to everyone who helps out with this.

ska bob(sigh). im pretty sure i did say maybe one or two $3 games. if you dont want to go home, make more putts. i found myself bored out of my mind. on top of that it took way too long. unless the fo ... show more ›

ska bob(sigh). im pretty sure i did say maybe one or two $3 games. if you dont want to go home, make more putts. i found myself bored out of my mind. on top of that it took way too long. unless the format changes, i dont see myself coming back. I know, no one cares if i dont show. thats not the point. the whole point is to make you a better putter and have fun. neither of those two goals were met for me this past monday night. way too chaotic. i say singles format!

We do a game called chains and through much trial and error I think we have found a good format. Basically you play x amount of times (depends on how long you want the round robin to last) and you do ... show more ›

We do a game called chains and through much trial and error I think we have found a good format. Basically you play x amount of times (depends on how long you want the round robin to last) and you don't play the same team twice. This keeps it loose And allows the games and pits to stay moving. After this phase all teams will have a record then you play a single elimination tourney for the winner. You can do a bunch of these games depending on how many ppl you have.

I say things didn't go terrible I think if games could be constant it would make a huge difference, there were at least 3 times that one or more court was not being used. You figure out how to keep t ... show more ›

I say things didn't go terrible I think if games could be constant it would make a huge difference, there were at least 3 times that one or more court was not being used. You figure out how to keep them full and we would finish faster. Also if we could get more baskets and rotate the courts 90 degrees you could easily fit six maybe seven instead of four.

i agree with rooster 100%. This is my idea. No dubs. Straight up NCAA(march madness) style. straight up singles brackets. You take the top 4 rated players and pin them against the four lowest rated pl ... show more ›

i agree with rooster 100%. This is my idea. No dubs. Straight up NCAA(march madness) style. straight up singles brackets. You take the top 4 rated players and pin them against the four lowest rated players. all players are ranked by player rating. so you have four #1 seeds. Or you could have a draw for seeds in the first round. you lose the first match you go home, and the player who beats you gets your $5(in the first round). if you win your first match, you continue. you lose your second match(you will have your original buy-in plus the five you won in the first match) and you forfeit five of your dollars and be able to keep the other five. and this continues till we have a champ of the night. the whole idea of the putting league in the first place it to make not so good putters more consistent. and good putters, flawless. it would go a lot faster and we could even make it $3 per tourny and maybe play twice( for a total of $6). think about it. trust me, thats why i practice.

How did everyone like the 4 games / bracket style format? I have tinkered with the PowerPoint and have merged everything into an Excel file with links from one worksheet to another. As the players' na ... show more ›

How did everyone like the 4 games / bracket style format? I have tinkered with the PowerPoint and have merged everything into an Excel file with links from one worksheet to another. As the players' names get entered into their respective teams all the worksheets automatically get updated with their names. I made this using 48 players and will begin altering it and making different versions by reducing the amount of players by 2 all the way down to 20 players so we can quickly open up a file tailored to the amount of people who show up on any given week. This should also help reduce the confusion of what court and who should be playing on it when.

John, I did some internet research to see how other sports do leagues and/or tournaments and I think I found one that might work good for this. I got it from the American Cornhole Association (www.am ... show more ›

John, I did some internet research to see how other sports do leagues and/or tournaments and I think I found one that might work good for this. I got it from the American Cornhole Association (www.americancornhole.org), in their "traditional" league format they play 1 match = 3 games or best of 3. I've copied some text from their rules, as always this can be tweaked as needed......

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7.3 Cornhole “TRADITIONAL 21” LEAGUE FORMAT (Recommended)
(applies to Doubles and Singles)
• Play one match per team or player in an outing
• 1 match = 3 games
• Games are scored with Traditional 21 scoring (or 13 like we did)
• Winner of best of three games wins the match
• 1 league point is given for:
– Each game won within a match
– Winning a match

An example
Game 1: Bailey Geers 21 – Max Charles 19 (one point BG)
Game 2: Bailey Geers 19 – Max Charles 21 (one point MC)
Game 3: Bailey Geers 21 – Max Charles 13 (one point BG)
Match winner Bailey Geers (one point BG)
Bailey’s league points: 3 (2 for games; 1 for match)
Max’s league points: 1 (1 for game)
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Now my opinions - Random draw works well for setting up the doubles team. A predetermined bracket could be set up to determine team vs team (Ace red vs 8 black…etc). With each Match possibly playing 3 games we could set up so that every team play 3 Match’s per week. Weekly winners could be determined by weekly league points and if a tie-breaker is needed a single game could be played. Or another option would be to bracket weekly having a winners and losers bracket with a two game knockout, with this we would only be able to play games and not matches, depending on turnout and time.

I was also thinking that since they have the overhead projector in the room we might be able to hook up a computer to it and have all the teams, games, points, brackets…etc showing up on the big screen.

Just my thoughts.

Derek Michalak

The BS issue will be solved by bringing our own CD's. The margin of victory issue, IMO, needs to be tinkered with. Bob, I hear you on your example of Team A shooting 4 winning rounds with a small ma ... show more ›

The BS issue will be solved by bringing our own CD's.
The margin of victory issue, IMO, needs to be tinkered with.
Bob, I hear you on your example of Team A shooting 4 winning rounds with a small margin of victory but that could have been because they just made enough to beat a team that missed a lot of shots while another team may have had a better shooting percentage earning a wider margin of victory.
I like the points awarded for victories.
Why not 2 points for each win and a point deducted for a loss?

Counting all made baskets to speed up games WILL definitely be implemented.

I am going to adjust my paperwork and have the scoring sheets read Red Aces vs. Black Aces as opposed to Team 1 vs. Team 2, etc...
I am also going to use PowerPoint and have one game per slide, bigger fonts, more consistent with what Brian and Rooster were writing down.

Another thing to consider is possibly splitting up the nights during the week knowing most people cannot play 2 nights a week but one night might fit in better than another. For instance, Thursday nights work better for me than Mondays. I can always propose the idea to Sunnybrook we would just need a Monday night champion. I am also thinking that we're not just talking the league but now "we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice." We could suggest practice to Sunnybrook and see if they are willing to open up the room and set up the baskets for practice. Now, some of you might want to know "How the he[[ can I make my teammates better by practicing?" Well, I could suggest that we have the baskets set up at 4:30 for those who want to get there early on league night or maybe another time and day all together. Thoughts???