Kensington Metropark

Andy Bawol    April 18, 2011 at 2:31am

Joe, really? While I support getting these people off the course I cannot support doing it in a manner that may escalate a situation into something it doesn't need to be. I will reiterate my point. Park property is not your place to dole out justice as you see fit. I don't know how to make this any clearer. Two wrongs do not make a right. If this was happening on your private course do whatever you like to get the people off it, I couldn't care less. When your actions have a hand ... more

Joe, really? While I support getting these people off the course I cannot support doing it in a manner that may escalate a situation into something it doesn't need to be. I will reiterate my point. Park property is not your place to dole out justice as you see fit. I don't know how to make this any clearer. Two wrongs do not make a right. If this was happening on your private course do whatever you like to get the people off it, I couldn't care less. When your actions have a hand in an event that could get a course pulled you are responsible. "I was just trying to get these idiots off the course" is not a valid excuse you can use when the course gets pulled. Since when does acting like a hard ass make you cool? When did using the resources at your disposable become a bad thing? I don't get it. This isn't disc golfers against cops/idiots/the world. Going about solving a problem in a mature fashion instead of acting like a hard ass and taking matters into your own hand will always yield a better result. Maybe not that very second but over time you will see things improve. Stooping down to these delinquents level with threats/violence only makes you a degenerate as well. Handle the issue like the adult you are and not the teenager you wanna be.

Shaun Adkins    April 17, 2011 at 9:56pm

tweakers that openly smoke meth probably need to have a reality check. there is snitching and then there is doing what is right. here is a scenario; i am smoking a joint and the cops walk up on me and i proceed to tell them "well there are a bunch of guys ahead of me smoking meth." if you are trying to get out of trouble by tattling or you are just jealous that they are smoking meth and you arent, that is snitching. im not one to needlessly involve the cops but if i had my 2 and 5 year ... more

tweakers that openly smoke meth probably need to have a reality check. there is snitching and then there is doing what is right. here is a scenario; i am smoking a joint and the cops walk up on me and i proceed to tell them "well there are a bunch of guys ahead of me smoking meth." if you are trying to get out of trouble by tattling or you are just jealous that they are smoking meth and you arent, that is snitching. im not one to needlessly involve the cops but if i had my 2 and 5 year old out there and witnessed that i wouldnt hesitate to call them. this is coming from someone who went to prison but could have gotten out of going if i had snitched.

Joe Gabris    April 17, 2011 at 8:12pm

Yo Pat Burke, why don't you tell these people how we like to deal with these swilly little crooked hat casuals that disrespect our courses. Needless to say we have often stumbled upon stupid out on the course, confronted stupid and explained to them why they don't belong there, made them leave and strongly suggested that we never see them again. Most certainly this is not always a smooth process but we have a 100% success rate at never seeing these people again. If this process is not ... more

Yo Pat Burke, why don't you tell these people how we like to deal with these swilly little crooked hat casuals that disrespect our courses. Needless to say we have often stumbled upon stupid out on the course, confronted stupid and explained to them why they don't belong there, made them leave and strongly suggested that we never see them again. Most certainly this is not always a smooth process but we have a 100% success rate at never seeing these people again. If this process is not your cup of tea, I would not mind a bit if ya wanna call the authorities to help clean the place up. Although if you are one of those people who would really enjoy seeing these little busters cry in fear try the former process it is sooooo much more rewarding. These kids know that they have to watch out for the authorities, but they have little idea that they also have to watch out for some of us ;)

Jay B    April 17, 2011 at 7:48pm

and fyi...if kensington was my home course and i paid those dollars to play and for passes, hell yes i would call the police to do their job, otherwise youre just wasting your tax dollars while complaining about paying taxes instead of utilizing the police force your tax dollars are paying for.....DUH!

Jay B    April 17, 2011 at 7:41pm

wow dare i be involved in this heated debate...lmao....who cares what anyone elses opinion is on the matter, especially since they werent there, the only thing that matters is doing what "YOU" feel is the right thing to do, violence be-gets violence and turning your head just enables more negative activity, THIS IS WHY WE HAVE POLICE TO CALL AND DEAL WITH IT, if others want to think you ruined it for them because you called the police its their bad and "THEIR" loss if they choose to not play there because the police might be there

Nick Pacific    April 17, 2011 at 6:17pm

@Kevin I hear ya bro. You made a solid argument from the other side. But I think at the end of the day, this isn't some crappy course in the middle of the inner city. This is a state park and our tax dollars fund it, right out of our pockets. Compounded on top of that, most of us purchase park passes ($25) and bag tags ($25), not to mention gas at $4 bucks a gallon.

We are all paying a small chunk of change to play here, and it shouldn't be ruined. I totally agree w/ everyone ... more

@Kevin I hear ya bro. You made a solid argument from the other side. But I think at the end of the day, this isn't some crappy course in the middle of the inner city. This is a state park and our tax dollars fund it, right out of our pockets. Compounded on top of that, most of us purchase park passes ($25) and bag tags ($25), not to mention gas at $4 bucks a gallon.

We are all paying a small chunk of change to play here, and it shouldn't be ruined. I totally agree w/ everyones points that perhaps you shouldn't be bringing small kids during rush hour: I myself never bring casuals/newbies during rush hour either.

That aside, one thing is true: where there is hard drugs like meth and crack, there is crime. When your cars start getting broken into and your bags and stereos get stolen, thats when you'll wish there were more cops around.

Jeff Kaluk    April 17, 2011 at 5:26pm

well spoken Rooster. I talked to the park this morning (which I do every week) and they told me that their full time attendents and police will be starting up May 1st. They will be increasing their presence on the course.

Andy Bawol    April 17, 2011 at 5:01pm

I certainly did not say to turn a blind eye. that would be a horrible thing to do. Telling people to take things into their own hands is basically giving them a license to do what they feel is the correct thing to do. I think we both know some people think violence is the answer. Personally, I would have called the park and let them deal with the issue as it was happening on park property. This is not your place to dole out "justice". I have told people to stop writing on picnic tables ... more

I certainly did not say to turn a blind eye. that would be a horrible thing to do. Telling people to take things into their own hands is basically giving them a license to do what they feel is the correct thing to do. I think we both know some people think violence is the answer. Personally, I would have called the park and let them deal with the issue as it was happening on park property. This is not your place to dole out "justice". I have told people to stop writing on picnic tables and such on the course so I am not against talking to them and letting them know they are doing wrong but if it ever went any further I do not believe there is any correct action than calling in someone with authority over the area. Mike Even was with his daughter and did not want to stir up any trouble with her around, The correct action was to move away from the situation and call the park. When did doing the right thing become "wrong"?

Andy Bawol    April 17, 2011 at 4:41pm

Then when the course is closed because it was the site of a beating which stemmed a lawsuit that cost the park thousands. Where will you take the thug life mentality?

Andy Bawol    April 17, 2011 at 4:18pm

Yes, I guess we were raised differently. I was raised to deal with thing is a civil and diplomatic fashion. You on the other hand, we were raised to be a thug.

Kevin M    April 17, 2011 at 11:00am

@Andy Bawol Yes, and you sound like a snitch. If you call the police on someone you are snitching, didn't think it was rocket science. I am never at the course alone, so if me and my 3-4 buddies walked up on some people and told them to cut it out or leave... they would do so. Different people are raised in different ways i guess.

Mike Even    April 15, 2011 at 12:57am

@ Kevin....No worries mate. I didn't take anything you said as malice. My daughter has been tagging along since we could put sun screen on her, so that's what, 6 months old? Get those kids out there bud, my kid is now starting to actually throw discs in the correct direction, trying to do a running start, and barking at me to get outta her way because it's her turn. Just avoid K-Town after 2pm :P

Jeff Kaluk    April 15, 2011 at 12:19am

Most of the public discgolf courses are over run by younger kids with nothing better to do but mob together in the woods, smoke a joint then leave to go find somthing else better to do. I talk with the park cops all the time and they dont want to hassel the regular serious discgolfer. They dont want the tweekers to make the whole park look bad. Call the park if there is a problem. Let them settle it. Better to chase off the rats than to let the rats force the park to close the course.

Trevor "Doppler" Dixon    April 15, 2011 at 12:18am

yeah new tree down on 19 those tweaks got in a meth fueled rage because of irrational Schizophrenic ideas of it being the trees fault they suck and aim for shit, i want these CASS-uals to go back to big bad northville if i see anyone fuckin with my trees I'm gonna flip out and probably call the cops, i can stand that shit

Kevin M    April 14, 2011 at 11:54pm

Mike,

Hopefully you will still be able to enjoy Disc Golf. I am sorry if i came off as kinda an a$$. I try to look at every story from both sides. I myself have a daughter who is 2 and know she is not old enough to come out yet, but also as stated before am a legal MMJ patient. I am just tired of a couple knuckle -heads ruining everything for everyone. I used to be able to go discing 10 years ago, and not see another person the whole time. Hopefully in the future people will be more respectful of the coarse, but i do not see that happening.

Andy Bawol    April 14, 2011 at 11:46pm

Are you serious Kevin? Your going to call this guy a snich becuase he wants to call the park because his daufghter witnessed people doing drugs in a public place? That has got to be the most assinine thing I've heard in quite some time. It is no ones right to break the law. If keeping these types of idiots off the course means having drug dogs out there and patrol all the better. Taking matters into your own hands is probably the worst idea like Mark said. Especially with a three year old b ... more

Are you serious Kevin? Your going to call this guy a snich becuase he wants to call the park because his daufghter witnessed people doing drugs in a public place? That has got to be the most assinine thing I've heard in quite some time. It is no ones right to break the law. If keeping these types of idiots off the course means having drug dogs out there and patrol all the better. Taking matters into your own hands is probably the worst idea like Mark said. Especially with a three year old by your side. Accept the fact that laws are laws and your ment to follow them. I break the law all the time but I don't make excuses for it when I get caught and I won't make excuse for anyone else no matter how minor the law they are breaking. If you're breaking the law and get caught it is no ones fault but your own. Just becuase you may not be able to get away with doing it at Kensington anymore does not make it a bad thing. Just accept the fact that your putting yourself in the hot seat if you choose to break the law while at Kensington and if you get caught by a random patrol its not the meth smokers fault that you got caught. The blame falls squarely on you.

Mike Even    April 14, 2011 at 11:37pm

As of now, I haven't called the office for the reasons you mentioned Nick. My mother didn't raise a snitch, so I'm still debating it because Black Locust is a great course and a few tweakers shouldn't have to ruin it for the rest of the bunch (casual or regular). I talked with the wife, and we both agreed that playing K-town during peek hours just isn't an option with the little goober. So I will just play the course early like you suggested. To answer your question ... more

As of now, I haven't called the office for the reasons you mentioned Nick. My mother didn't raise a snitch, so I'm still debating it because Black Locust is a great course and a few tweakers shouldn't have to ruin it for the rest of the bunch (casual or regular). I talked with the wife, and we both agreed that playing K-town during peek hours just isn't an option with the little goober. So I will just play the course early like you suggested. To answer your question about how do I know the difference, lol, I will need to plead the 5th Amendment ;) Just because I used to chase the dragon's tail and did a ton of stupid shit in my youth, doesn't mean I condone those actions today. Bottom line is Kensington is a metro park and open to all ages and all kinds of people, I shouldn't have to go at a certain time of day to avoid the hardcore drug users. My wife asked the same thing about why didn't I say something. And I have a few reasons for this, because if I was alone or with some friends I would have confronted them. I don't even like exposing my child to people smoking cigarettes, sorry, my kid my choice. A 3 year old doesn't listen and she's not going to hang back while I walk up to these jokers. I don't even need her to see what a crack/meth pipe looks like, nor do I need her talking to these brain dead fools. Have you ever confronted a crack head or a meth head while they are whacked outta their mind? not the easiest of tasks, and I'm not going to get into with three crack heads while my kid is tagging along. Just easier to hang back, let them play out the last couple of holes then starting a bunch of shenanigans. We need to clearly police ourselves. I wrote what I wrote because I know this community actually cares about the sport & our courses, and I would hope we haven't gotten to the point where doing hard core drugs on the course is considered a regular, every day thing.

g lane    April 14, 2011 at 10:27pm

and i thought the biggest concern here was the spelling problem. wakka wakka.

Mark Stephens    April 14, 2011 at 10:19pm

Confronting pople who are under the effect of powerful drugs also seems like a winning plan to me! I am certain they would have apologized and moved along...

Kevin M    April 14, 2011 at 10:09pm

Hey nick, if you smoke in your car and you and your car smell whats to stop them from busting you anyways? That's all we need is dogs up there. I a m a registered medical user, but am pretty sure they would say i do not have permission to smoke on there property. Mike Even, I go at 9 AM myself on Sundays to avoid all the BS. No matter what if it wasn't Meth it could be drunks which is completely legal. I would suggest not taking your daughter to the disk golf coarse during the &qu ... more

Hey nick, if you smoke in your car and you and your car smell whats to stop them from busting you anyways? That's all we need is dogs up there. I a m a registered medical user, but am pretty sure they would say i do not have permission to smoke on there property. Mike Even, I go at 9 AM myself on Sundays to avoid all the BS. No matter what if it wasn't Meth it could be drunks which is completely legal. I would suggest not taking your daughter to the disk golf coarse during the "roudy" hours when drunks and druggies are there because they have nothing better to do. I am not condoning anything that they may or may not have been doing, but for a person who doesn't condone such things i must ask how you know the smell difference betwenn crack, and meth? Your statement almost makes it sound better had they been smoking crack instead of meth. If you find it necessary to call the authorities, then do so. Or you could walk up to the other discgolfers man to man, and say "Hey guys i know where all out here to have a good time, but I have my 3 year old daughter with me. So if you could save that until you are in the privacy of your own home it would be appreciated". Or we can all taddle, and get cops and dogs out there, with them writing tickets for bringing good glass bottle beer (which i take the empties home with me), or stopping at a table for a brief break. This should be able to be handled quite simply by growing a pair, and confronting the individuals who are doing what you yourself do not find to be acceptable (usually this would at least scare people enough to stop, or leave). Or we can all turn snitch, and ruin everything for everyone. I personally have chased punks breaking glass beer bottles off the course. That is all.