Fountain City Flyers

Benjamin Wonders

Incidentally, I can be reached at 419-344-1655.

Max N. Plouck

Woot-Woot! You mean I can not buy the lowest tag then never play again the rest of the season? WTF? LoL

Matthew Zirkes

Tuesday works well for me. In Bryan correct?

Benjamin Wonders

Yes, it will be in Bryan. If you're interested, we also have a Facebook group where we are discussing this. Just search Fountain City Flyerz, and you should find it.

Brian Barclay

I plan on being there around 6:00 to 6:30. Sun goes down around 7:30 so we can eat at 7:00 and plan on starting the first round near 8 PM.

Bret Stopher

I am working on seeing if any of my clan (4 of us) would like to play the glow round since they are all coming to our new house for that weekend. If we do show up, we will not be eating, just playing! Sounds like fun.

Shane Stembridge

I would love to come and play. I am newer to this but sounds like fun.

Benjamin Wonders

You're absolutely welcome to join in.

Shawn Lawhorn

oh fo sho! Lol.... count me in for a tag!

Benjamin Wonders

We should really look hard at allowing the tag challenges to be across whole events rather than only within cards. While I understand that it's one more thing to keep track of, the scores would be on record for league rounds, tournaments, and special events, so it shouldn't require a massive undertaking to distill the necessary information from them.

Benjamin Wonders

Another thing to consider is requiring tagholders to provide a phone number or email address that goes on a list given to the group to facilitate arranging challenge rounds. I don't have a way to get hold of everyone, and I will admit that I am sometimes very spotty in checking in here.

Brian Barclay

Yeah that's a good point Ben. The only thing I'm thinking of would be trying to figure out who would put them in and people who want to leave early from leagues and aren't sure where they fall. What tag do they take home or do they wait around?

Benjamin Wonders

It might be best to have it fall on whoever is running the event, if it's a club function. If a bunch of us go to some other thing and want to do a challenge there, it should be up to them to choose a person to do keep track of that.

Benjamin Wonders

By "them", I mean the group. My grammar is atrocious today.

Josh Thomas

I think the bag tag season started off a little bumpy last year, but finished pretty good all things considered.

John Broering

I want to know when they will be available, let the challenging begin!

Brian Barclay

I think those are all good points. My goal is to have as many people participating in the tag challenge so

Brian Barclay

i want to make it fun for everyone. Being a realist I realize that not everyone is going to be happy. So far I like the idea of everyone playing for tags in league rounds regardless of what card you are on, but logistically trying to figure out what happens inevitably when someone forgets there tag ... more

i want to make it fun for everyone. Being a realist I realize that not everyone is going to be happy. So far I like the idea of everyone playing for tags in league rounds regardless of what card you are on, but logistically trying to figure out what happens inevitably when someone forgets there tag or needs to leave right after the round and one group is still 5 holes from being done. Also one person has offered to follow up the league rounds with entering the tag rounds after the league rounds have been recorded. That might fix the hassle of putting in the league rounds making us able to do that. I think generally most people just like playing and challenging people But I can say that because I've never been in contention for the number 1 tag. I really like the idea of knowing during a challenge round where my challenger is at stroke wise. It's difficult to stay competitive when you really have no clue what's happening on the other cards. I'm usually not on the fence on any issues but this one I am. I feel like we should really take it to vote. i know that causes some problems but in this case I think the more people behind a rule the more people enjoy it. As far as the match play I think we should just discontinue that. That would be way to hard to calculate and it turns into all luck when you have more than 2 people. I also think we should discontinue the option to play sudden death. For some reason I feel that when you enter scores as a tie the scene automatically defaults the tag numbers as the challenger taking the lower numbered card. Seems like there was a glitch or something with it because I had to fix a lot in cases of ties.

Brian Barclay

I did want to comment on the 2 week thing. Realistically the rule has no teeth because quite honestly I don't have a gang of meatheads ready to strip your tag from you when you don't answer to a challenge. I know that if you announce that you are going to be gone for a weekend or a week ... more

I did want to comment on the 2 week thing. Realistically the rule has no teeth because quite honestly I don't have a gang of meatheads ready to strip your tag from you when you don't answer to a challenge. I know that if you announce that you are going to be gone for a weekend or a week vacation people will challenge you and then just take your tag because there wasn't anyway you could play in that week so that's why there is 2 but Nick you are right there really isn't any reason why you couldn't get a round in in 1 week. The 2 weeks is for rare cases. I did see it used as a machanism to avoid challenges last year though. I'm not sure how to fix that. I really like playing on Friday nights for tags we could designate that as a round and people could put if they are coming or not on the scene so you could decide if you wanted to show up to better your tag. I just don't know if Fridays work for everyone else.

Brian Barclay

Plus once you have the top tag what would be the point to coming on Friday night if there's no reward for defending your title. We could make tag holders with some kind of markers like beads added to them so it would be a record of how many times you've defended that tag in a challenge. ... more

Plus once you have the top tag what would be the point to coming on Friday night if there's no reward for defending your title. We could make tag holders with some kind of markers like beads added to them so it would be a record of how many times you've defended that tag in a challenge. So a number 1 tag with 3 beads would mean you have defended the tag 3 times once you owned it. Kind of a bragging rights thing which is what it's about.

Benjamin Wonders

After reading the rules again, there is absolutely nothing in there expressly limiting tag challenges to only the players on a single card. The only limitation I find is more a suggestion to keep group sizes to four or fewer players to facilitate speed of play. Perhaps nothing needs to be changed in that regard, after all.

Brian Barclay

Yes, but it's also left open as to whether you want to play for tags. We need to make a decision as to whether you are forced to play for tags if you are at leagues or allowed to say. I'm having a bad day and not agreeing to playing for tags.

Brian Barclay

NICK, match play is also known as skins.

Brian Taylor

we've had people opt out of tags on a card before because they just weren't feeling it that day. no one had previously challenged them and it was no big deal that day. the only downside is if it becomes a chronic issue. if the same person keeps going it week after week. then we may have issues.

Benjamin Wonders

Nobody has to play for tags in a large group. I don't see why that would ever be an issue. If someone gets a tag and absolutely refuses to play for tags at all, I can see how that would be annoying, but I don't imagine that a person who would pull that would get a tag in the first place. ... more

Nobody has to play for tags in a large group. I don't see why that would ever be an issue. If someone gets a tag and absolutely refuses to play for tags at all, I can see how that would be annoying, but I don't imagine that a person who would pull that would get a tag in the first place. Also, at that point, they can keep the dumb thing if it's that precious to them, IMO. At the end of the day, there is no prize money, trophy, or even a cookie attached to holding a certain tag at the end of the year so they are ultimately mcguffins anyway.

Benjamin Wonders

I would never support forcing anyone to do anything they didn't want to do, other than putting the gun down and letting the girl go. Playing for tags should be optional, always.

Brian Taylor

^ Depends on the girl. lol

Benjamin Wonders

:-)

Brian Barclay

Hahaha. So should we get tags with Sesame Street characters on them instead of numbers?

Brian Taylor

I call Oscar!

Benjamin Wonders

I'm not comfortable with Elmo.

Brian Barclay

What I'm hearing is the big issue on the table is whether we allow play across the whole league or card to card. The rest of it all seems like it's how people decide to play and no rule is really going to force anyone to play at leagues if they don't want to. I can see people saying ... more

What I'm hearing is the big issue on the table is whether we allow play across the whole league or card to card. The rest of it all seems like it's how people decide to play and no rule is really going to force anyone to play at leagues if they don't want to. I can see people saying Yeah I'll throw down on my card but not over the whole league and at that point it would become an absolute nightmare trying to figure out who was challenging across the league and who wasn't and who would take the tag from that card and wouldn't get it across the league. I say a decision must be made to force everyone who has a tag to play for it or it or if we decide to only do card to card then they can decide before the match whether they are playing for it or not.

Brian Taylor

No, if someone from the card opts into the pool for the day, they are not eligible for and other tags on that card. If no one on the card opts into the pool, then everyone on the card can take part in on the same card tag challenges.

Brian Taylor

there is no playing for tags in the pool and on the side, its one or the other. easy as that

Brian Barclay

Another option is that whoever wants to play for tags is reserved for the top card. Top 4 numbered cards that show up and want to play for them at leagues play on teh top card regardless of position. If you want to play on the top card buy a tag or start playing for it.

Brian Taylor

and before the league round starts, write down all the people who are in the league pool.

Brian Barclay

Now that I think about it that would solve a lot of the problems. No question as to how to make the top card. People that want to play with the top guys are going to have to put their card up to do it and if you're not feeling it that day you can play on a lower pressure card and not the top one.

Brian Barclay

I think Nick actually suggested this option in a previous post and if I had to vote I'd vote for this one.

Benjamin Wonders

I'm working on a proposal. I'll have something later today.

Brian Barclay

Well if the goal is to have a toeline then no. If the goal is to mow over them wihtout having to worry about 2x4's hitting a blade than yes

Brian Barclay

I like the idea for the holes that are out in the midlde of the grass like 11, 12 and 13. It would look weird on holes 3 and whites from 6 and 7.

Brian Taylor

They'd get stolen everyday.

Brian Barclay

Vandalism is going to occur out there either way. Bricks would be easier to replace. I also don't understand why the price at this low of a cost is going to be an issue. How many fences has the soccer squad paid for and we're haggling over $12 per pad. I'd personally like it if so ... more

Vandalism is going to occur out there either way. Bricks would be easier to replace. I also don't understand why the price at this low of a cost is going to be an issue. How many fences has the soccer squad paid for and we're haggling over $12 per pad. I'd personally like it if some of the taxes I pay go towards discgolf instead of a fenced in area for people to run their dogs in the winter time.

Benjamin Wonders

To get back on topic, here’s my proposal: 1 Have a discgolfscene.com account. 2. Buy a tag. 3. If you want to participate in a tag round, you need to have your tag with you. 4. Tag rounds may consist of any number of players playing at the same course at the same time under the s ... more

To get back on topic, here’s my proposal: 1 Have a discgolfscene.com account. 2. Buy a tag. 3. If you want to participate in a tag round, you need to have your tag with you. 4. Tag rounds may consist of any number of players playing at the same course at the same time under the same rules. 5. Lowest score for round gets lowest numbered tag up for grabs in that round. Second lowest gets second lowest tag. Proceed ad infinitum. Ties can be decided by playoff if tied players care to do it that way. If not, lower number going in is lower number coming out.

Benjamin Wonders

I'd like to note that we're putting far too much thought into this already.

Brian Barclay

So what happens when 6 people on cards 1 and 2 at leagues want to play for tags and a guy on the top card only wants to play the other 3 people on his card biut not the people on card 2 and a guy with his tag on card 2 doesn't want to play for tags at all against anyone and inevitably the guy with the number 2 tag forgot his tag at home.

Brian Barclay

This scenario seems pretty reasonable considering you are not forcing anyone to play for tags. It's possible but logistically you would need a seperate staff person to keep track of who gets what at the end and entering it all in.

Benjamin Wonders

If the player who only wants to challenge within the card can talk the others on the card into it, more power to them. The player who does not want to play for tags at all is not required to put their tag up for grabs, and may still participate with the others. The totality of the rules governing ... more

If the player who only wants to challenge within the card can talk the others on the card into it, more power to them. The player who does not want to play for tags at all is not required to put their tag up for grabs, and may still participate with the others. The totality of the rules governing bag tags in Fort Wayne is "have fun, and accept challenges", and they make it work. I'd like to see something not too much more complicated than that, as nobody should be putting serious stock in what their tag number means or says about them as a person or player.

Brian Taylor

Power goes to the majority.

Brian Barclay

I thought in Fort Wayne they forced you to play for tags if you showed up to leagues with a tag. My problem isn't about trying tom limit peoples fun it's me trying to put all this shit in the computer when tags 1,2,3 and 4 agree to play for tags amongst themselves and the guy with the 6th ... more

I thought in Fort Wayne they forced you to play for tags if you showed up to leagues with a tag. My problem isn't about trying tom limit peoples fun it's me trying to put all this shit in the computer when tags 1,2,3 and 4 agree to play for tags amongst themselves and the guy with the 6th tag has an outstanding challenge against tag number 2 going on the second week but can't get on the top card to challenge them tag number 3 wants to play only people on his card and tags 1,2,4,5, and 6 want to play across the league. To top ita ll off I'm scrambling around trying to write all this down and then also who brought money and who forgot their dollar at home for the ace pool..

Brian Taylor

1,2,4,5, and 6 plays for tags. #3 does not put his tag up because he doesn't want to go with the majority. Plus if number 6 is waiting to play #2 but two plays 1-4 first, #6 will still be playing for a lower tag

Brian Barclay

Ok I can follow that. You either play for tags in leagues or you don't and it's all or nothing across the league you aren't allowed to pick and choose who you play in the league. 2 week rule still apples and if you can't come to leagues and put it up within that 2 week period y ... more

Ok I can follow that. You either play for tags in leagues or you don't and it's all or nothing across the league you aren't allowed to pick and choose who you play in the league. 2 week rule still apples and if you can't come to leagues and put it up within that 2 week period you are supposed to give it to the other player who challenged you. If you don't I get to send Ben to your house to snap your legs off at the crotch.

Brian Barclay

1 of the two challenges has to be in Bryan. Lower tag still gets to pick course and tees. No match play anymore. You must submit a way to contact you to a master list that will be displayed to others in the tag challenge and you are responsible for checking that method regularly or I'm sending Ben after you.

Brian Barclay

I think we are almost ready to make an order. I've never sold over 20 so I figure that is the amount I will order. If we need more I will see about ordering more later.

Brian Taylor

I would just do it as tags at league are up to the majority of those in attendance as to whether to play a tag pool or per card basis.

Brian Taylor

And why no more match play?

Benjamin Wonders

Also, anyone caught taking the thing seriously will be flogged.

Brian Taylor

^ agreed

Brian Barclay

No match play because no one ever does it and with more than 2 people in the round it could go on forever.

Brian Barclay

First draft. I condensed the rules down to only 7. Check the wording on 5, I'm not sure if I left a loophole in it. I tried to make it so if there were people that had an outstanding challenge and wanted to complete it during the league round but didn't want to compete against everyone else in the event wide challenge than they could do that.

Benjamin Wonders

Is there a way to see what you have so far?

Benjamin Wonders

Perhaps a Google doc link or something.

Brian Barclay

No

Brian Barclay

It won't copy and paste

Brian Barclay

2015 Bag Tag Challenge Rules: 2015 Bag Tag Challenge Rules: 1. Tags will be assigned on a first come first serve basis. You will be given the lowest numbered tag available at the time of purchase. First place tag from last year will receive first rights to the #1 tag this year and will not be requi ... more

2015 Bag Tag Challenge Rules: 2015 Bag Tag Challenge Rules: 1. Tags will be assigned on a first come first serve basis. You will be given the lowest numbered tag available at the time of purchase. First place tag from last year will receive first rights to the #1 tag this year and will not be required to purchase the tag.2. All tags must be carried to the challenge and displayed on your disc golf bag. If you don't have a bag you must at least have it with you.3. A higher numbered tag can challenge a lower numbered tag. All challenges must be accepted, unless there are less than 2 weeks left in the season, or if there is already an outstanding challenge involving the challenged player. The lower numbered tag must select a location, format, and a tee set to play from as well as at least 2 times they can meet to play. One of the 2 locations must be in Bryan. Times must be reasonable. If they cannot play in those 2 weeks they must trade their tag for the challengers. If the challenger cannot make either of the two offered times the challenge is void.4. Ties will result in the original holder of the lowest bag tag winning the challenge and retaining their bag tag. Players may decide to play off extra holes in cases of ties. Ultimately it is up to the player who went into the round with the lower numbered tag to make that decision. Please be sure to check the tag updates after posting the scores to be sure that the tag numbers updated properly.5. Multiple people at the same course, playing at the same time and from the same tees can play for tags in groups of up to four people per group on one card, or during leagues or other events people may decide to play across the entire event or league. It is up to the player to decide whether they want to be included in the “event wide” challenge or if they would like to exclude themselves. Players may choose to exclude themselves from the “event wide” challenge and challenge others that are not in the “event wide” challenge. You may play in groups of more than 4 but please use courtesy on the course. If there is a smaller group playing at a faster pace, you must let them play through. All tags are thrown into a pool and the person who wins takes the lowest numbered tag and second place takes 2nd lowest tag etc...6. As the discgolfscene website is what we use to track the tag numbers owned by players we are requiring that each player be a member of the discgolfscene and post their scores within 24 hours of the round ending. All players are required to have a phone number or email address to answer to challenges and will be responsible for checking the email or phone number they submitted for challenges.7. If a tag is lost the tag is dropped off the list and a new tag may be purchased at full price.

Brian Barclay

Apparently it doesn't like spaces

Benjamin Wonders

Try this. I have it in Google Docs with suggestions. It seemed a bit wordy. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KelldDvZkAXJD9MunrGgAINSIenW0UBYwhrJ6g7tJDI/edit?usp=sharing

Bret Stopher

would like to be there but family christmas gathering doesn't allow for it!

Brian Taylor

Plan to stay after to play the 9 hole safari course I've been cooking up. Its only 9 holes but its longer than the short tees.

Brian Taylor

Just a teaser, Hole #1 is the Long tee of Hole #1 to the basket of #9. No hole is under 500ft.

John Ryan

so you don't throw from the post but re tee because all or mando signs are by the tee I'm I correct on that?

Brian Taylor

You are correct on that, if you miss the mando off the tee, you would rethrow from the tee with the one stroke penalty. So your second shot would be considered your third stroke.

Brian Taylor

Brian, how are these rules different than before?

John Ryan

i believe he just wants to clarify because i had a question about the soccer net and putting your foot though it being legal which i believe is but wanted to see his opinion on it

John Ryan

and Brian i always played it from the post so i was unaware of that and been doing it wrong

Brian Barclay

Yeah I always played it from the left of the mando sign which is the way I interpreted the rules from before. I believe you always had the option of re-teeing but the drop zone was always to the left of the mando.

Brian Barclay

Well it wasn't ever designated so the intention of the mando was that if you missed it you would proceed to the left of the sign and throw from there with a stroke penalty.

Brian Barclay

John, I believe with this rule change, whoever is in charge of course design may want to rethink the location of those mandos. If the reasoning for having them was to keep people from throwing over the field it is actually creating a situation where people may end up throwing over the field more oft ... more

John, I believe with this rule change, whoever is in charge of course design may want to rethink the location of those mandos. If the reasoning for having them was to keep people from throwing over the field it is actually creating a situation where people may end up throwing over the field more often because they must continue to throw till they make it from the teepad which could result in multiple throws over the flyzone they want to keep clear.

Brian Barclay

If I had a vote in it I would say completely remove the mando on 10 all together. If the parks issue with it was that they didn't want discs flying over the field due to somebody getting hit in the head with a disc, then why didn't they think about a disc golf player getting hit in the head by a home run right in the fairway?

Brian Barclay

Actually I renewed my membership for the PDGA yesterday and started looking at some of the rules since I was in there.

Brian Taylor

Mandos serve two purposes though. Restrict where disc fly for safety reasons and restrict flights paths to add challenge to the hole. If you remove the mando on 10, you not only will have people throwing over the ball field, but that will take away any challenge of that hole. It will just be a gentle hyzer over the ball field to the basket.

John Ryan

your right Brian T it would ruin that hole and the mando was required from the park board Brian as 4, on 4 before the mando people threw into the field rudely even when big games were going on easy solution write drop zone on the post or make it a point to tell everyone before play starts where the drop zone is problem solved

Brian Taylor

I could provide a few bricks to brick in a drop zone on 4 and 10. Or just make then replay from their last lie.

Brian Taylor

what color would be a good color for a drop zone? I could paint the bricks before bringing them to the course.

John Ryan

orange or yellow maybe but it would blend in in the fall thanks Brian i appreciate you doing that .

Brian Barclay

I don't care to make the hole easier as I think the teepad is so wide that the shot is pretty much a gentle hyzer if you change your run up anyways. What my issue was was that if you missed the mando because you accidentally threw over the field that if we play it from your last lie which is the teepad we actually are putting people in risk of doing it a second time.

Brian Barclay

I'm not the only one that thinks mandos are stupid. You can't see the hole form the teepad as it is. I just feel that if the park is going to take a stance of safety being the issue on why that mando is necessary lets take all sports into account and adddress the issue of the fairway for 10 being in direct line of taking a ball to the head as well.

Brian Barclay

or address the fact that the tee signs are jacked. ...or that we were told certain soccer fields would be disappearing and have in fact doubled the amount of soccer fields out there since we've been told they would be moving them. ...or that the practice basket still isn't up... or that co ... more

or address the fact that the tee signs are jacked. ...or that we were told certain soccer fields would be disappearing and have in fact doubled the amount of soccer fields out there since we've been told they would be moving them. ...or that the practice basket still isn't up... or that continuously we're dealing with flag football when we were told the field would be moved to another loaction. There's plenty of battles to be fought out there I don't think the park should be so picky about a disc flying over there baseball field. I also have to disagree. I've never seen anyone throw a disc in the field just to be rude. Let's not make stuff up.

John Ryan

brian on the old hole 4 which is the same as it is now but shorter people would throw into the field like i said mind you normal disc golfer would not do that but people (one disc players ) and people starting out would and we had to take into account what has happened and what could happen so ben s ... more

brian on the old hole 4 which is the same as it is now but shorter people would throw into the field like i said mind you normal disc golfer would not do that but people (one disc players ) and people starting out would and we had to take into account what has happened and what could happen so ben said we need one there so that gap could not be thrown though and 10 is fine if you throw from the post which could be the drop shot or we can mark it as brian t is working on ,from there the is no chance a disc could re-enter from there i agree theres stuff that should be done but the main focus is safety yeah we could enter the fence with a bad drive but that's better then people constantly throwing hyzers over a kids head with how it is now your forced to throw a line thats away from the fence.

John Ryan

we are working with ben on replacing the signs as soon as possible

Scott McCullough

I'm planning on being there.

Bret Stopher

Can an "outsider" join the league and play?

Benjamin Wonders

All are welcome.

Benjamin Wonders

There are no outsiders. Just friends we haven't all made yet. :-)

Benjamin Wonders

Thumbs up!

Brian Taylor

I knew it wouldnt be long till someone aced it. You should have saved it for league. lol

Josh Thomas

I wished I could've saved it for leagues but it was my 1st ace I didn't care when it came. Lol

Louis Salinas

Great...... Now I'm going to have to buy a witness shirt

Shawn Lawhorn

why is it cancelled?

Max N. Plouck

Probably due to the fact that McCullough and I are not there to play:-(

Benjamin Wonders

About half of the regular players are going to be playing other events today.

Rex Noaker

not to late..im still deciding if i want to hold one..i think you have till the end of july to decide

Brian Barclay

They contacted me and said they want all tournaments done by August 22nd so we gotta find a date before then.

Brian Barclay

August 16th is the date that seems to work for everyone. It just doesn't work for me. Anyone else want to run it or we could do a Friday night tournament.

Benjamin Wonders

I could do it. Can the TD also play? Not that I have to, but it would be cool.

Louis Salinas

I could help out as well

Andy Miller

I will be returning from Columbus on the 6th. What time are you guys getting together? Like last year, I can't commit to anything for sure, but would still like to make a few events now and then.

Brian Barclay

Planning on meeting at 10:00 probably just hang out until 10:30, sell tags at 10:30 anyone who's interested in playing for the lower numbered tag that day will get in on a round to start at about 10:45. Anyone else who doesn't want to compete for a lower numbered tag that day is welcome t ... more

Planning on meeting at 10:00 probably just hang out until 10:30, sell tags at 10:30 anyone who's interested in playing for the lower numbered tag that day will get in on a round to start at about 10:45. Anyone else who doesn't want to compete for a lower numbered tag that day is welcome to purchase one and numbers that aren't up for grabs in the round will be sold consecutively first come first served.

Brian Barclay

For some reason the rules won't post in the "about" section of the leaue.