Fallasburg Park

Randy Shreve

congrats on the shot and for finding your disc.

Ryan Hart

Thank you, Randy.

John Bauer

Im going there today, ill keep a look put for it.

Andrea Lange

Gracias!

John Bauer

Si

Dave Nyhuis

There's a tournament tomorrow, I'm sure someone is bound to come across it!

Andrea Lange

Tomorrow? How do I get in on this action?

John Bauer

I didnt come across it at the tournament today, But how do you get into tournaments?

Dave Nyhuis

Tournaments are listed on course pages, as well as the tournament tab at the top of the main page.

Matt Blocksma

bummer

Kaidin Bell

Sucky

Fred Vocino

Some will enjoy the change. Thanks for the effort.

Kaidin Bell

Xadam bell just now We need to move it. When I chose that pin location it wasn't in the middle of the river. Our foot traffic created the water runoff so I moved it up on the hill. I understand that its dangerous during the winter so we should find a location that works year round or move the lower left or right 20-50' out of the path if the Water.

Fred Vocino

A third way may be the answer. With that terrain, a no-hill / no-water spot will be a challenge. If you set something up to change the design/pin location, I can bring my chainsaw and help.

Fred Vocino

Night play is trouble...but the effort in Benton Harbor looks worthwhile. I'll try that one. Thanks.

Fred Vocino

The LEFT is the side that got trimmed. My next offer will be aimed at the right bank.

Eric Austin

I'm definitely on board with the adopt a hole idea. I'll be checking out the work you did on 16 tomorrow at FRDGA winter leagues. Appreciate the effort, and my apologies if any of our previous correspondance was out of line.

Fred Vocino

Loyalty to your league and course was a natural part of your reaction to my comments. Apologies are unnecessary in these cases where we have shared interests but an imperfect way to meet objectives. A few more years of improvements should give us even more to say about the course when we travel far. Detroit on Sunday was the last time I recommended Fallasburg to folks curious about West-Mi.

Kyle Austin

Saw the tags this weekend. Who's organizing this?

Fred Vocino

M.Durco, B.Good, and A.Markel were contacted. I was then asked to concentrate on Olives, including those on #16. My tags ran out, so the work my be partly represented. If what you saw tagged does not look corrrect, you could advise me of that. I am set to go at it on Sat., even on my own.

Nate Upton

Amen!

Fred Vocino

Thanks Amy. I had my doubts that the cuts were made by disc golf enthusiasts in an attempt to improve the design of those holes. I am sorry that I took the bait offered by a couple of loyal league members who suggested the cuts were attributed to league leadership.

Steve Hatter

It would be cool to come up with an alternative to just not having it there... Some sort of man made barrier.. or possibly an OB garden/sand pit? I miss the tree in the center of the fairway on 4 as well

Fred Vocino

I am in favor of defined OBs as a way to add risk and consequences to the design of a course. Materials cost and adding new objects of vandalism can be a concern. Re-arranging rocks and fallen trees could be part of a plan to retain the sporting challenges eliminated by nature or park officials. An end of season or start of season work plan would be a good time for me to join in the work/fun.

Eric Austin

you kinda run your mouth a lot.

Kyle Austin

Agreed. Here's an idea: if you'd actually like to start a constructive dialogue about how to make Fallasburg a better course, I'd suggest contacting the leadership of the Flat River Disc Golf Association (Bret Good, Amy Markel, Mike Durco) to talk about how you can lend a hand doing s ... more

Agreed. Here's an idea: if you'd actually like to start a constructive dialogue about how to make Fallasburg a better course, I'd suggest contacting the leadership of the Flat River Disc Golf Association (Bret Good, Amy Markel, Mike Durco) to talk about how you can lend a hand doing some manintence around the park instead of snidely criticizing those who DO volunteer a ton of their time and energy to clear trees, pick up cans, and leave the park looking nice. If it wasn't for those folks (and a few others), Fallasburg wouldn't even exist, so I suggest that you be a LOT more respectful in the way you voice your opinions about the course. By the way, I was informed at our league party on Saturday that the maintenance to hole 8 was an effort to remove an invasive plant.

Steve Hatter

some people are never happy

Fred Vocino

Ok, I had a knee-jerk reaction. And I'm glad to see some Fallasburg patriots rise to the defense of your course. My mistake was to not consider the possibility that league authorities had chosen those spots for course improvement, or even ecological remedies. I made a random connection to those ... more

Ok, I had a knee-jerk reaction. And I'm glad to see some Fallasburg patriots rise to the defense of your course. My mistake was to not consider the possibility that league authorities had chosen those spots for course improvement, or even ecological remedies. I made a random connection to those cuts and the little red flags that appeared to be shot locations designed for very young players. My apologies to those doing that work. I have offered to work at Fallasburg and have no recall of requests that have gone out to the general playing public. I find Fallasburg to be among the best in the area, and I believe I am like you and many others in the area who have found opportunities to work there. That is, people were not u201chappyu201d with conditions they saw. The need for improvements and corrections are the common ground we are all on. We are perhaps only separated by the opinions we have about what makes a better course. I have been eager to take a machete to various spots on several courses I play, and when I mention a particular need for improvement I offer myself to the effort. But I only work in cooperation with others so that my opinion is not the sole reason for a change. Frustration overcame me yesterday as I saw cuts had been made in curious locations after I had volunteered to work with the Fallasburg folks to help with upkeep. It didnu2019t occur to me that those folks had taken action without considering my application to help. It sounds conceited, but thatu2019s how my thinking failed. And, Oh yah! I do run my mouthu2026we can talk about that.

patricio gonzalez III

and that guy is one of them.agreed,ask how you can help out or if you don't like the course conditions go play somewhere else.saw a league member throwing his empty reds Apple ale cans all over the course.don't know his name,but when we finally caught up to them,we checked him on it and he ... more

and that guy is one of them.agreed,ask how you can help out or if you don't like the course conditions go play somewhere else.saw a league member throwing his empty reds Apple ale cans all over the course.don't know his name,but when we finally caught up to them,we checked him on it and he had the nerve to get mouthy about it,said it was ok throw cans wherever he felt bcuz someone was going to pick them up.words were exchanged and I apologize for egging the situation on but I have little tolerance for such ignorance.People like the reds Apple ale guy should find another league to pick up after their shit.

Fred Vocino

Patricio, I'm not sure where you are taking this. We are together on the bottle (and cigarette butt) issue. I understand that simply being a league member doesn't makes you a good discgolf citizen. Are you rejecting my apology for mistaking who had made the recent cuts on hole 8 and 18? Be ... more

Patricio, I'm not sure where you are taking this. We are together on the bottle (and cigarette butt) issue. I understand that simply being a league member doesn't makes you a good discgolf citizen. Are you rejecting my apology for mistaking who had made the recent cuts on hole 8 and 18? Bear in mind that being in a league or having previously helped with upkeep does not give someone a trump-card when it comes to the right to express opinions. The advantage for the moment goes to those who are given the opportunity to go out with blades and saws.

patricio gonzalez III

I'm not taking "this"anywhere w you Fred.I was just voicing a legit complaint/opinion of my own.

Fred Vocino

We're good. Sometimes when I see recently tossed butts, cans, etc I imagine following someone home and emptying my car trash on their lawns.

Fred Vocino

Here's some news. My gripe only confronts the choices made by park officials. Will I hear next some outrage that those folks and league members have a uniform view about the necessary upkeep of the course. How do we feel about the loss of a porta-potty?

Andrea Lange

I was out there last week and talked to groundskeeper (Mark...?) of the course. He said he's aware of the obstacles and overall (sadly) declining conditions but limited in his resources to fix them (financial, time or otherwise). Its a huge park and unfortunately the disc golf course is only ... more

I was out there last week and talked to groundskeeper (Mark...?) of the course. He said he's aware of the obstacles and overall (sadly) declining conditions but limited in his resources to fix them (financial, time or otherwise). Its a huge park and unfortunately the disc golf course is only a small portion of his responsibilities. I feel the responsibility to fix things up then falls on us. I'm happy to spend a couple days out there working if needed. If someone wants to spearhead the operation and make the plans, count me in! (Especially if I get to use a chainsaw.)

Fred Vocino

Park authorities concern me whenever I get ideas for work to improve a course. League authorities usually know about the steps that need to be taken. I'm putting my gloves, boots, and dungarees in a pile to wait for a call to work.

Steve Hatter

Rather than waiting.. take the leadership role and state some times.. need leaders. my free time goes to smash which I have very little of anymore

Fred Vocino

Steve, are you authorized to approve alterations of the park? Do you approve of my ideas concerning those alterations? Do you have a lawyer friend who will represent me and my friends for free if we go out on our own to saw and chop?

Steve Hatter

ask the guy in charge of maintaining the park what needs to be done and volunteer your time doing what he doesn't have time to do.. seems simple?

Fred Vocino

How do I put together what the park guy wants to do and what would be done according to the consensus opinion among area discgolfers. It is simple...Just needs a little organization. Otherwise, we get a series of random changes representing each group's idea of what makes a good course. If we ... more

How do I put together what the park guy wants to do and what would be done according to the consensus opinion among area discgolfers. It is simple...Just needs a little organization. Otherwise, we get a series of random changes representing each group's idea of what makes a good course. If we set up the authority lines on an ongoing basis we could do things like "adopt a hole" were groups maintain or revise holes according to a long term course plan.

patricio gonzalez III

omfg...

Andrea Lange

Jesus!!! Stop bitching at one another on here and call the damn park. Lawyers??? Really Fred? Don't think this is cool hand Luke here, buddy. I've already talked to him about the use of spray paint and he was thrilled to hear someone was taking in interest in the course. I'll call ... more

Jesus!!! Stop bitching at one another on here and call the damn park. Lawyers??? Really Fred? Don't think this is cool hand Luke here, buddy. I've already talked to him about the use of spray paint and he was thrilled to hear someone was taking in interest in the course. I'll call and talk to the dude tomorrow and let you bozos know what the plan is so you guys can do all the heavy lifting. Except for Fred.... I'm too worried I'd drop a branch on his foot and he'll try to sue me.

Kaidin Bell

Lol "the little red flags that appeared to be shot locations designed for very young players"

Fred Vocino

So far, my wish to be involved in an effort acceptable to the community of disc-golfers has produced responses with anger. (Amy Markel, without animosity, did confirm my original view that the recent cuts were not made by someone carrying out the wishes of the DG community.) I remain committed to he ... more

So far, my wish to be involved in an effort acceptable to the community of disc-golfers has produced responses with anger. (Amy Markel, without animosity, did confirm my original view that the recent cuts were not made by someone carrying out the wishes of the DG community.) I remain committed to help, and hope to join a group that is lead by someone who is quick to recognize problems and slow to reject solutions. I hope to improve my status with persons included here when I have a chance to deal with people face-to-face.

Nate Upton

Its a Swedish thing, they forget quickly, lol

Eric Austin

don't play by yourself if you don't want to lose plastic on tougher holes.

Fred Vocino

Thanks...that's a good way to cope with the issue. It will shift my concern for myself to my helpful friend. I'd rather get folks to help with the clearing of pointless ground cover. I expect that some folks think that the constant threat of losing a disc is part of the game. I'd rath ... more

Thanks...that's a good way to cope with the issue. It will shift my concern for myself to my helpful friend. I'd rather get folks to help with the clearing of pointless ground cover. I expect that some folks think that the constant threat of losing a disc is part of the game. I'd rather lose a stroke for a bad throw into a well defined OB off the fairway, than loose a stroke and a disc is some poorly defined mess of plant growth.

Eric Austin

I've played Fallasburg 4-5 times a week for the last 4 years and have never lost a disc on hole 16 or any other hole.

Fred Vocino

Congratulations...we can probably agree that resolving my issue would have no effect on your perfect record.

Steve Hatter

if there is, it wouldn't be a very large one. have a good round!

Dave Nyhuis

Awesome, thanks Steve!

Brandon Schmuker

Someone named Brad Robinson is looking for a white star mako om that hole I think

Dave Nyhuis

It is neither a predator nor a Mako!

Kyle Austin

Hey, just taking a shot in the dark here. I lost a light orange ESP Nuke on the left of 5 quite a while ago. Was that your find?

Dave Nyhuis

No, it was a factory-dyed Innova Teebird. Turns out it belonged to Brad Robinson (see first comment). It has already been returned. Sorry man, good luck in your search!